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Open Panzer Help / Re: Benedini Mini problems
« on: May 21, 2018, 12:23:43 PM »
Thanks everyone for the information provided, all of interest! Luke I do think you do yourself a disservice! I am the ultimate novice on a steep learning curve (more like a cliff actually), and I have found the OP board a good choice nonetheless. Partly as it is so clearly and well explained on this forum, with so much information and guidance provided, not so readily available for the Likes of Elmod, Clarke and IBU3, in addition to which none of these are really able to cater for large scale (heavy) tanks. I think all of these require a certain willingness to learn and have certain foibles (although I don't know anything about the Taigen one you mention). Although I have as yet to get stuck in to the practical application of the board (I am still trying to acquire the hardware!), I am looking forward to it!



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Open Panzer Help / Re: Benedini Mini problems
« on: May 14, 2018, 05:54:25 AM »
Sorry I meant to ask Johnnyvd a bit more about the Open Sound Card. I have seen that some work has been done on one and I have heard it on You Tube (is that right?) but I think I am right in saying it is not openly available or is just at a development stage. When you say that you had plans to make it easier to acquire, do you mean build that which is already in existence? I also note that you have been too busy to do this but just how difficult would it be to have some made (if you know how to do this you must be another electronics wizard!)? In my (incredibly humble) view this is the one aspect that would put the OP board on the map once and for all. Luke (who must be another genius in this field) has done so much towards this project (and keeps answering questions day in and day out), I really want it to succeed. Its so rare these days people do so much for so little so that everyone can benefit. What about crowd funding or something if it is an issue of finding some money for production?

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Open Panzer Help / Re: Benedini Mini problems
« on: May 14, 2018, 05:44:13 AM »
Hi Rad, thank you very much for this input, this is very useful and even I can follow it! So do this and I can programme a Mikro on a PC? I do wish that TB could have just suggested something similar (for the sake of a few euros) and it would have stopped what has become a difficult disagreement. I know he would rather I buy (and pay postage) for his own but in the circumstances on this occasion it would have resolved the matter amicably and quickly and for little cost.

Johnnyyvd, I do appreciate the rather unusual circumstances (of the Benedini card and OP board), but I do think he needs to be clear about this when enquiries are made. It is not a cheap choice and on my initial enquiry stating that I wanted to use his card with an OP Board no such caveats were given, just that this was not a problem, that he could provide it pre-programmed for this purpose. However I know my naivety and lack of experience is not helping and had this thread existed at the time I was making the choice it would have been a god send (not as a warning but because clearly the sound element requires a little more thought and understanding).

Anyway, much as I wanted to concentrate on other aspects of R/C tanks and just plug and play the sound element, I can see I need to delve deeper into this aspect also! I will grab one of these cards that Rad has suggested (I would never have known to look for this or that this is what was required) and try and get a Mikro and hopefully get some engine noise at least!


Thank you both again for your help and suggestions.

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Open Panzer Help / Re: Benedini Mini problems
« on: May 11, 2018, 12:44:03 PM »
In retrospect - good advice! I wish I had done that, I did ask about the difficulties in programming the card etc. and all things considered it was agreed it would be best if TB configured it in advance for the OP Card. I was happy at the time with this approach as I had so many other aspects to consider that it was an attractive option to plug and play the sound element (and ultimately I am mostly interested in the engine sounds/guns). I did suggest he supply the cable to resolve the issue (or ask if that maybe a solution), but this was never taken up and meanwhile matters just deteriorated. However, for anyone else, your right, buy the card and the Programming cable and then any problems can be sorted without recourse to Germany.

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Open Panzer Help / Re: Benedini Mini problems
« on: May 11, 2018, 10:28:15 AM »
Hi Jhamm,

I appreciate your point, I don't mind admitting I have seen other people say that he has been helpful.

Well to be fair he was helpful to me, but I clearly stated that I needed a Mini for the Open Panzer Board and in error he sent me a different configuration. He said this was because I asked too many questions but I am new to the scene and wanted to make sure I had what I needed (and I had ordered and paid for the mini 4 days after making initial contact, not weeks or months later).

So far no problem, because everyone makes mistakes but then he wanted 28 euros to correct the error. When I questioned this it was reduced, but I still had to pay some postage costs, after that any response was slow coming and I was left not knowing what to do.

Perhaps caught him on a bad day, we all have them, but it has been in all honesty a bad experience.




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Open Panzer Help / Benedini Mini problems
« on: May 11, 2018, 03:51:28 AM »
I ordered a Benedini Sound card and I could not get it to work with the OP Board. On mentioning this to Thomas Benedini he said that it was not configured to work with the board as supplied, and it would need returning for him in order to do this or I would need to buy a part to programme it myself.

I thought I would mention this as someone who is just learning the ropes (as I am) may not appreciate this and just order one believing it will be compatible from the go!

Whilst writing I have to add that my experience with Benedini has been far from an enjoyable one. I did have the foresight to mention that I was using an OP board but he forgot to programme it accordingly (hence my warning above!). On my mentioning this (and highlighting my email which he acknowledged), he initially wanted another €28 euros to correct his mistake!

In the event I am now having to try and get a refund through PayPal.

I have read that Mr Benedini has been helpful in other people’s experience (and I believe he has helped making his sound card compatible with the OP board), but I think this may only apply once he has been paid and there are no issues thereafter (or none which incur a cost).

Personally, I would not buy one of these cards, I would consider it too much of a risk, more so as you have little recourse in Germany, (on top of the fact a lot of people think they are expensive for what they are), especially if you have an issue. Not only that but he was not quick to respond or to rectify the issue either, there was just a general reluctance and indifference all round.

In view of the above I think I may try the Das Mikro card and settle for engine sounds alone (if it is not too complicated to adapt!).

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Open Panzer Help / Re: Pyro ignition
« on: April 27, 2018, 09:05:47 AM »
Thank you both for responding. Never heard of the Geneva Drive before, it would be a suitable system especially if building it from scratch.

I agree it would be most advantageous to know how it is supposed to operate! It is a beautifully engineered piece and therefore it stands to reason it must similarly have had a safe and reliable firing system. I have made other enquiries but as yet not found anyone familiar with the system. In its current form the drum is driven (rotated by a motor), which I think is the original set-up, but if I connect power to the motor it spins like any other and fairly quickly (although one would expect it to slow down when having to turn the drum). So I can only presume that something controlled the motor in such a way that it only engaged for a moment and moved the drum 30 degrees and stopped. I am just not aware of anything like that.

The next step is to connect the motor (without the pyros!) with an ESC and a switch and see what happens I guess.

I will take a couple of Pictures of the tank Johnny when I am next in the garage just to satisfy your curiosity!

Thank you both again, Chris.

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Open Panzer Help / Re: Pyro ignition
« on: April 26, 2018, 04:55:26 AM »
Hi - just giving the pyro mechanism some more attention/thought! It has occurred to me that I cannot really have the motor able to rotate the drum continually or without some limitations, either due to a fault or because it will not stop in time or loss of signal etc, otherwise numerous pyros could go off in quick succession (and probably blow the turret off!). I have been asking around if anyone knows more about these units (and how they are set up) but so far to no avail.

As regards control/limitations, would the OP board be able to put a limit on movement of the motor that rotates the drum so that it moves the drum 1/12th of the way around, fires a pyro and then stops? Then to repeat this you would need to reset the switch again. Or would the recoil output do something similar (as I presume this is a limited power supply just to create the recoil and then it is disconnected).

I have some photos of the unit that may better explain what I am dealing with!

Any suggestions/ideas very welcome!




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Open Panzer Help / Re: Pyro ignition
« on: April 11, 2018, 01:48:05 PM »
Thank you for all these pointers Luke.

I understand about the relay and your references/advice means I am pretty comfortable with what I have to do in this regard now.

My OP boards arrived today and both are good (I thought I would have a spare in case I really enjoy myself and get another tank!). I have also been in touch with Thomas who has been very helpful with the sound card (Mini) and smoker (which I understand is controlled by the former).

So real progress is being made!

It was kind of you to search out my other post and your answer was very helpful.

Thanks again, Chris.

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Show and Tell / Re: TCB in KingTiger
« on: April 11, 2018, 05:11:06 AM »
Hi Rockchuck,

That is a wonderful installation in what is a cramped space - it has inspired me to try and be as tidy! I note you have used two separate esc's - did you consider using one (serial card at all?). Cheers Chris.

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Open Panzer Help / Re: Pyro ignition
« on: April 11, 2018, 04:56:38 AM »
Hi Luke,

thank you very much for answering my question and so quickly. There is a relay mounted in the tank and I suspect its purpose was to fire the pyros. With that in mind I have a few options. I had also thought that the motor outputs (A&B) were used even if using external motors (and somehow tied up two of the r/c outputs also) - I have read that section all over again and now have a much better understanding! I have never had any r/c model before of any type so learning from scratch (and the really basic stuff is the hardest to find answers to as everyone assumes you know this!). I will post some pictures etc, its not as big as the 1/6th models but still weighs in around 70kg. I only received it on Monday but I have been trying to plan ahead what I will need (and following the TCB for several months). Others have been helping with that on RCTankwarefare but essentially I will use the HobbyKing XCar 45A ESC's you recommend for the turret, gun elevation and to rotate pyro chamber and probably the Sabretooth serial motor controller, although I am a bit undecided whether two separate controllers may be better (if one should fail for example and it would be quite a saving). Thank you again (and I remain flabbergasted at you efforts).

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Open Panzer Help / Pyro ignition
« on: April 10, 2018, 07:16:24 PM »
Hello everyone, just joined having bought my firstly RC model, a 1/8th scale tank for which I have also bought one of the open panzer boards. I will be using connectors 1-4 for esc's and 6-8 for the sound card and was wondering what connection I might use for a rotating 12 shot pyro unit? These are ignited electrically. Could I use the Aux socket for this? Many thanks for any assistance provided!

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