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Open Panzer Help & Info => Open Panzer Help => Topic started by: legrosminet on May 27, 2019, 01:02:29 AM

Title: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 27, 2019, 01:02:29 AM
Bonjour,

je possède un leopard 2a6 sur lequel j'ai installé la TCB Openpanzer.
cette carte est vraiment incroyable et bien au dessus de certaines autres dont la tk22 par exemple.

Bref tout fonctionne, je pense avoir fait les bon réglages, sauf que lorsque je suis entrain d'avancer ou de reculer, je ne peux pas tourner. Je dois m'arrêter et tourner.

J'utilise une radio turnigy 9x, et je pense qu'elle est bien paramétrée puisque tout fonctionne.

Bref je me retourne vers la communauté car je ne comprends pas et je n'ai pas trouver de réponses à ma question sur le forum ou le wiki.

Je mets le texte en français et en anglais et je joins mon fichier de opconfig.

D'avance merci.

cordialement

Legrosminet

Hello,

I own a leopard 2a6 on which I installed the TCB Openpanzer.
this map is really amazing and well above some others including tk22 for example.

In short, everything works, I think I made the right adjustments, except that when I’m moving forward or backward, I can’t turn. I have to stop and turn.

I use a Turnigy 9x radio, and I think it’s well set up because everything works.

Anyway I turn to the community because I do not understand and I did not find answers to my question on the forum or wiki.

I put the text in French and English and attach my opconfig file.

Thank you in advance.

cordially

Legrosminet


Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 27, 2019, 02:09:08 PM
Bonjour Minet, et bienvenue. Votre anglais est excellent, mais mon français n'est pas très bon, so I hope you will understand my English.

Interestingly Jaunillor reported this same problem recently (http://openpanzer.org/forum/index.php?topic=196.0), but he has not said whether he fixed it or not. We will have to ask him.

My advice to him was to re-check the radio setup. But you have already done that so I will assume that is not the problem.

One thing you both have in common is that you are both using ESCs for motor control. Can you tell me what ESC you are using? I wonder if your ESC has brake enabled - that could cause problems with turning.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 27, 2019, 03:55:54 PM
merci pour une réponse aussi rapide

effectivement j'utilise des ESC HobbyKing X-Car 45A Brushed Car ESC un par moteur comme préconisé dans le wiki.
Je viens de revérifier les paramètres selon le wiki pas de problème de ce côté.

cordialement
legrosminet


thanks for such a quick response
actually I use ESC HobbyKing X-Car 45A Brushed Car ESC one by motor as advocated in the wiki.
I just reverified the parameters according to the wiki no problem on this side.

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 27, 2019, 06:49:12 PM
I am beginning to think the problem could be mechanical. Let us do a very simple test before we proceed any further:

Elevate your tank on a block placed beneath the chassis. The tracks (les chenilles) should be free to turn but not touch the ground.

Now command forward and turn. Does the inner track slow down? For example, if you command left turn, the left track will be the "inner" track and it should decrease speed.

If that is what you observe then your TCB and ESCs are working correctly and the turning command is being issued correctly. In this case the problem is mechanical.

But if you issue a turn command and both tracks continue to move at the same speed, then we have a TCB or firmware problem.

Let me know what you find out! And please tell me if you have problems understanding and I will try to write in French.

Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 28, 2019, 12:53:06 AM
bonjour,
j'ai élevé mon tank

marche avant ou marche arrière pas de problème.
avant gauche, avant droit, arrière gauche ou arrière droit, aucune modification de vitesse dans les chenilles.

j'ai fait le test en vitesse lente et vitesse rapide.

Lorsque je fait un tout à gauche ou tout a droite les chenilles gauche et droite tournent dans un sens opposé.

cordialement
legrosminet


Hello,
I elevate my tank

forward or backward no problem.
left front, right front, left rear or right rear, no change in speed in the tracks.

I did the test in slow speed and fast speed.

When I make an all left or right, the left and right caterpillars turn in the opposite direction.

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 28, 2019, 02:14:01 PM
This problem has me stumped. I loaded your OPZ file onto my own TCB, I connected it to two XCar 45 ESCs same as you, and I have no problems. I am even using a 9X radio as well, although my radio settings are slightly different.

I have several 9X radios and I always have to set the channel order for the sticks to 2,4,3,1 (throttle, steering, elevation, rotation). Yours are 1,2,3,4 but maybe you have re-arranged the channel order on the transmitter. You should make sure that your transmitter does NOT have any mixes created. I would suggest you run through Radio Setup one more time just to be sure that is not contributing to the problem. See the YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFI-uRlyVWw) for a reminder if necessary.

Afterwards, can you please load this test firmware onto your TCB. Right-click the link and select "Save link as" to save it to your computer. Then on the Firmware tab of OP Config, click the "Use your own Hex" button to select this file. Now flash to the TCB.

2019_05_28_tcbmk1_TEST_0-93-50.hex (http://www.openpanzer.org/downloads/tcbmk1/firmware/Tests/2019_05_28_tcbmk1_TEST_0-93-50.hex)

If you were already using a recent version of firmware your settings should be maintained, if you were using an older version (0.93.44 or earlier) they will be reset to default, in that case you will want to write your OPZ file after flashing to restore your settings.

The only change in this version is that it will print the actual speed values being sent to each track in real time. To see these values, you will need to keep your TCB connected to the computer in Snoop mode (keep your tank elevated so it doesn't drive off your desk!)

I have shown a screenshot below. The left column is the speed of the left track, the right column is the speed of the right track. Values can range from 0 (stopped) to 255 (full speed). Forward speeds are positive and reverse speeds are negative. In this screenshot, you can see that I am going full speed ahead and turning right at the same time (left track speed is maximum 255, right track speed is much slower at around 70).

What you describe is that when moving forward, you command a turn but no turn happens. If that is what the TCB is actually doing, Snoop will show that your left and right track speeds are always the same, even when you move the steering stick. That definitely should not be possible but let's see what happens.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 28, 2019, 03:24:03 PM
bonsoir,

merci pour l'interêt porté à ma demande. j'ai installé le firmware et j'ai fait les tests selon vos demandes.

lorsque j'avance il m'indique bien les 2 pistes avec la même vitesse et lorsque je déplace le stick  vers la droite ou la gauche en avançant rien ne bouge les 2 colonnes indiquent la même vitesse.

ma radio turnigy 9x est avec le mod tanker9x SVN er9x-r1 VERSION Anzio.

Cordialement
legrosminet


good evening,

thank you for the interest brought to my request. I installed the firmware and did the tests according to your requests.

when I advance it shows me the 2 tracks with the same speed and when I move the stick to the right or left advancing nothing moves the 2 columns indicate the same speed.

my radio turnigy 9x is with mod tanker9x SVN er9x-r1 VERSION Anzio.

Cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 28, 2019, 03:42:06 PM
What this tells me is that your steering channel is not being recognized or processed.

I strongly recommend against using Tanker9X. It is designed to perform functions in the transmitter that should instead be left to the TCB. It is also no longer being supported or developed so far as I know. It was never designed for use with the Open Panzer TCB. 

To eliminate this as a possible factor, can you try a different transmitter? Alternatively try replacing the firmware with with ER9X (http://www.er9x.com/), OpenTX or any other general-purpose operating system. You want the most basic setup on your transmitter - each channel simply transmits its own values. NO mixes, nothing fancy. That will only create problems.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on May 28, 2019, 03:50:07 PM
I agree with Luke, and even more: Nobody should use Tanker9x anymore.

It has been abandoned for years and as far as I remember it included some mixings and some inertias. I am pretty sure problems are comming from there.

Id just flash the latest version of er9x and create a new model in the radio.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 28, 2019, 04:10:05 PM
Bonsoir Rad_Schuhart,

pourrais tu m'envoyer ton fichier de paramétrage, je viens de reflasher ma radio avec le firmware er9x

cordialement
legrosminet


Good evening Rad_Schuhart,

could you send me your parameter file, I just flashed my radio with the er9x firmware

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 28, 2019, 04:48:01 PM
Minet, here is a basic er9x model setup that I use. You can load it to your transmitter using the eePe program (http://www.er9x.com/). On your transmitter you should perform also a perform the Calibration routine once (in er9x the Calibration routine is in the Radio Setup menu - press the left button on the transmitter to enter the Radio Setup menu).

A complete tutorial on er9x is beyond my ability. It has many functions and abilities but for our purposes we need only the most basic. On the Model Setup screen, under MIXER you will see that all I have done is create a mix for each of the 14 controls on the 9X transmitter. I am not mixing channels with each other - the terminology is a little confusing, all I am doing is mixing the physical control (switch, knob, stick) to a channel number.

Everything else you need can be done in OP Config.

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 29, 2019, 02:37:51 AM
Bonjour,

je teste votre fichier, j'ai reflash ma turnigy 9X avec le firmware d'origine, j'ai connu quelques problème hier soir de bind entre la radio et le recepteur FS-A8S.

Donc dès que j'ai réussi d'implanter les paramètres je vous tiendrais au courant.

Cordialement
Legrosminet


Hello,

I test your file, I reflected my turnigy 9X with the original firmware, I had some problem last night bind between the radio and the receiver FS-A8S.

So as soon as I managed to implement the settings I will keep you informed.

cordially
Legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on May 29, 2019, 03:30:38 AM
Bonsoir Rad_Schuhart,



Good evening Rad_Schuhart,

could you send me your parameter file, I just flashed my radio with the er9x firmware

cordially
legrosminet

Bonjour Minet,

I am sorry but my 9x radio has been moded quite a lot, to the point that does not use er9x anymore, but erskyTX, which is an upgraded version of er9x. That needs a big hardware mod with a board that does not exist anymore... So it means my radio file wont work with your radio.

But If you have already flashed the newest version of er9x, and created a new model, I think you should not have any problem anymore. As luke points, be sure to calibrate it.

Regarding your binding problem, I have no experience with that receiver, but you might need to select the receiver you have in the "Model setup - protocol" menu.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 29, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
Bonjour,

je teste votre fichier, j'ai reflash ma turnigy 9X avec le firmware d'origine, j'ai connu quelques problème hier soir de bind entre la radio et le recepteur FS-A8S.

Donc dès que j'ai réussi d'implanter les paramètres je vous tiendrais au courant.

Cordialement
Legrosminet


Hello,

I test your file, I reflected my turnigy 9X with the original firmware, I had some problem last night bind between the radio and the receiver FS-A8S.

So as soon as I managed to implement the settings I will keep you informed.

cordially
Legrosminet
Ok, if you put your 9X back to "original" firmware then my file will not work. My file will only work with er9x transmitter software, not original software.

I am curious, what module are you using in the transmitter? Are you using the stock AFHDS-2A module that comes with the Hobby King transmitter? If so I am not sure it will be possible to bind to the FS-A8S. Hobby King's webpage on the FS-A8S implies that it will work but I think they are wrong. You will probably have to use the stock iA8 receiver, or else upgrade to a new module (I recommend FrSky XJT and FrSky receiver).



Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on May 29, 2019, 04:34:44 PM
Oh I missed that part completelly! When you said "original firmware" I imagined it was the original er9x from www.er9x.com but not the original firmware that comes with the radio!

I strongly recommend you to flash er9x and never use the stock firmware again.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 30, 2019, 07:05:57 AM
bonjour à tous,

donc j'ai effectué plusieurs essais.

pour commencer j'ai remarqué que lorsque je fais le test avec la fonction snoop et que j'avance la colonne gauche annonce +100 et la colonne droite -100, alors que les 2 pistes avance dans le même sens.
un problème de polarité d'un des moteurs ??

j'ai implanté le firmware er9x, avec le fichier eepe de LukeZ, et ça ne fonctionne pas, normal je n'ai pas de module PXX/XJT

il est vrai que j'utilise le receveur FS-A8S (https://hobbyking.com/fr_fr/catalogsearch/result/?cat=&q=FS-A8S)
avec l'emetteur de la turnigy 9x (https://hobbyking.com/fr_fr/turnigy-9x-9ch-transmitter-w-module-ia8-receiver-mode-2-afdhs-2a-system.html)

bref dans l'absolu, la carte fonctionne bien, la radio fonctionne bien, le parametrage de la radio n'est pas bon.

et je continu a chercher

cordialement
legrosminet


Hello everyone,

so I did several tests.

for starters i noticed that when i do the test with the snoop function and that I advance the left column announces 100 and the right column -100, while the 2 tracks advance in the same direction.
a polarity problem of one of the motors ??

I implanted the firmware er9x, with the file eepe of LukeZ, and it does not work, normal I do not have a module PXX / XJT

it is true that I use the receiver FS-A8S (https://hobbyking.com/en_fr/catalogsearch/result/?cat=&q=FS-A8S)
with the transmitter of the 9x turnigy (https://hobbyking.com/en/turnigy-9x-9ch-transmitter-w-module-ia8-receiver-mode-2-afdhs-2a-system.html)

short in the absolute, the card works well, the radio works well, the setting of the radio is not good.

and I continue to search

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 30, 2019, 02:08:45 PM
LukeZ,
si je prends ce materiel

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/frsky-xjt-2-4ghz-combo-pack-for-jr-w-telemetry-module-x8r-8-16ch-s-bus-accst-telemetry-receiver.html?wrh_pdp=7

que j'installe sur ma turnigy 9x flashé en ER9X avec ton fichier de prog
je résous tous mes problèmes ?

cordialement
legrosminet


LukeZ,
if I take this material

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/frsky-xjt-2-4ghz-combo-pack-for-jr-w-telemetry-module-x8r-8-16ch-s-bus-accst-telemetry-receiver.html? wrh_pdp = 7

that I install on my turnigy 9x flashed ER9X with your prog file
I solve all my problems?

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 30, 2019, 02:21:20 PM
The XJT is a good module and I use it myself. But it is not necessary to buy, you can use your existing module.

I realize now the setting file I gave you will need to be adjusted. Go into Model Setup on your transmitter, select the Protocol menu, then change the "Proto" setting from XJT (what I was using) to PPM 8CH (what your module uses).

You can confirm whether your radio is working just by plugging a servo into your receiver, ignore the TCB for now. Get your radio working first, then proceed to working on the tank.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 30, 2019, 03:06:02 PM
The XJT is a good module and I use it myself. But it is not necessary to buy, you can use your existing module.

I realize now the setting file I gave you will need to be adjusted. Go into Model Setup on your transmitter, select the Protocol menu, then change the "Proto" setting from XJT (what I was using) to PPM 8CH (what your module uses).

You can confirm whether your radio is working just by plugging a servo into your receiver, ignore the TCB for now. Get your radio working first, then proceed to working on the tank.

désolé
j'ai fait le test la radio ne veux rien savoir.

cependant lorsque je reprogramme la radio avec le firmware tanker9x toute les fonctions fonctionnent sauf le fait de tourner en avancant ou reculant.

le problème est frustrant, soit le firmware se charge mal ou il est corrompu.

cordialement
legrosminet


sorry
I did the test the radio does not want to know anything.

however when I reprogram the radio with the firmware tanker9x all the functions work except to turn forward or backward.

the problem is frustrating, either the firmware is loading badly or it is corrupt.

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 30, 2019, 03:11:50 PM
It would probably be better to just create a new model in er9x rather than use my setting file, because my file probably has something different that doesn't work on your transmitter, or maybe it was made in a different version of er9x.

Alternatively you can try to figure out what the problem is with tanker9x and undo whatever mix or setting is preventing the turning from working.

With tanker9x on your transmitter, connect to OP Config and click Read Radio on the Radio tab. Now move the throttle stick forward and move the turn stick. Do you see the channels moving on the screen correctly? Or is the turn channel ignored when throttle is active?
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 30, 2019, 04:44:53 PM
avec tanker, lorsque je déplace le stick sur ma radio ça s'affiche dans opconfig
en fait tout fonctionne sauf le fait de tourner et avançant
legrosminet

with tanker, when I move the stick on my radio it appears in opconfig
in fact everything works except turning and advancing
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 30, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
To be clear - do you see both turning and advancing at the same time in OP Config? Or does it appear the turning channel remains stationary while advancing the throttle channel?
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 31, 2019, 12:46:40 AM
tout a fait.

Lorsque ma radio utilise le firmware tanker : le throttle et le steering d'opconfig bouge, mais le steering n'est pas appliqué aux moteurs.

lorsque j'utilise un autre firmware er9x par exemple, le plus souvent la radio n'est même pas détectée par opconfig, comme si elle n'était pas bind.

je soupçonne de plus en plus ma radio d'être à l'origine du problème.

lergrosminet


absolutely.

When my radio uses the firmware tanker: the throttle and the steering of opconfig moves, but the steering is not applied to the engines.

when i use another firmware er9x for example, most often the radio is not even detected by opconfig, as if it was not bind.

I suspect more and more my radio is causing the problem

legrosminet

Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on May 31, 2019, 02:42:01 AM
Hi Legrosminet...

If you are very very stuck, you can always can send the hardware to me. The radio, receivers, the open panzer board and the ESCs.

It should not take me more than a day to sort it out.

Just cover the shipping both ways and done, I dont want any extra Euro. France-Austria should not be toooo expensive.


Regarding your er9x problem not binding. Are you sure you are selecting the correct protocol in the menu?
Also, how are you binding, pressing the button in the module, or selecting bind in the radio?


In other order of things, your module should work, but instead of the Frsky module that Luke recommends, Id go for a multiprotocol module https://www.banggood.com/IRangeX-IRX4-2_4G-CC2500-NRF24L01-A7105-CTRF6936-4-IN-1-Multiprotocol-STM32-TX-Module-With-Case-p-1197130.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN

I use two of them and work good with most of the brands.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 31, 2019, 02:16:53 PM
We still have too many variables to make an accurate diagnosis. All troubleshooting requires elimination of possibilities until only the problem remains. Right now we have translation difficulties, radio uncertainty, and possibly though unlikely maybe a TCB bug.

Minet you need to understand how your radio works and exactly what it is doing before we can either A) eliminate the radio as a potential source of the problem or B) fix whatever is incorrect about the radio setup. Keep experimenting. It would be best if we could use something other than tanker9x but right now you are not yet proficient at other operating systems, so that needs to be addressed.

In the meantime, here is another test firmware to try on your TCB (see below). With this version you will now see 4 columns in Snoop while driving:
Drive Command - [Drive Speed] - Turn Command - [Turn Amount]

The Commands are what the TCB recognizes from your radio for the channels you have assigned to throttle and steering. The drive speed and turn amount are what the TCB has decided should be the output - they don't always equal the command because you might have inertia enabled, or speed limits, etc... In the screenshot below you can see that I am moving forward and turning left. Negative turn values mean left, positive turn values mean right. Negative drive values mean reverse, positive drive values mean forward.

Try moving forward and turn at the same time and take a screenshot. Maybe this will tell us something useful.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 31, 2019, 04:18:45 PM
en pièce jointe les fichiers des copies d'écran

1/ marche avant
2/ marche arrière
3/ plein gauche
4/ plein droit
5/ avant puis droit
6/ avant puis gauche
7/ gauche puis avant
8/ droit puis avant

j'ai de nouveau essayé via E9RX et installé les voies simples dans la prog, impossible de faire quelque chose, sur opconfig il voit les voies mais sont figées
avec tanker ça fonctionne avec  les résultats

legrosminet


attached files screenshots

1 / forward
2 / reverse
3 / full left
4 / full right
5 / before then right
6 / before then left
7 / left then before
8 / right then before

I tried again via E9RX and installed the simple ways in the prog, impossible to do anything, on opconfig he sees the channels but are frozen
with tanker it works with the results

legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on May 31, 2019, 05:24:03 PM
Finally, we have discovered the problem. You have steering and throttle channels mixed. It explains all your symptoms. When you move the stick forward, what you are actually doing is performing a neutral turn. If you had disabled neutral turns you wouldn't even have been able to move forward or backwards.

In OP Config, change Throttle to Order 2 and change Steering to Order 1. That should fix your problem. You will probably also have to change the polarity of one of your motors (just swap the two motor wires).

Let me know how this works.

Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on May 31, 2019, 05:28:41 PM
merci
je teste cela demain  et je vous tiens au courant
legrosminet

thank you
I'm testing this tomorrow and I'll let you know
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on June 01, 2019, 01:38:31 AM
bonjour LukeZ

j'ai modifié les voies dans openpanzer comme vous me l'avez demandé, j'ai changé aussi la polarité d'un moteur et ...

ça fonctionne parfaitement !, il avance en tournant un diminuant la vitesse de rotation d'une des voie.

il n'y a juste que le rotation sur place qui fait stick a gauche tank vers la droite mais cela ne me préoccupe absolument pas.

je vous remercie du temps et de la patience que vous avez eu avec moi sur ce problème.
en espérant que cela peut résoudre le problème d'autres personnes.

cordialement
legrosminet


Hello LukeZ

I changed the way in openpanzer as you asked me, I changed also the polarity of an engine and ...

it works perfectly !, it advances by turning a decreasing speed of rotation of one of the ways.

there is just the rotation on the spot that stick stick left tank to the right but it does not concern me absolutely.

I thank you for the time and patience you had with me on this problem.
hoping that this can solve the problem of other people.

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on June 01, 2019, 07:38:38 AM
I am very glad to hear it! Often we find the most difficult problems have the solutions most simple. Thank you for your perseverance. I knew we would find the answer eventually.

Hopefully this does indeed help others. I wold be interested to hear from Juanillor what his results have been.

il n'y a juste que le rotation sur place qui fait stick a gauche tank vers la droite mais cela ne me préoccupe absolument pas.
Google did not translate this line very well. It sounds like your turning direction is reversed, but only for neutral turn? You can change polarity of motors or reverse channels in OP Config, but if it turns correctly when you advance, it should also turn correctly in neutral turns.

Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: legrosminet on June 01, 2019, 11:31:52 AM
effectivement le virage neutre a un léger problème, qui pour moi est anecdotique.

j'ai déja inversé la polarité d'un moteur ce matin, le gauche car plus facile d'accès dans le tank, ce n'était pas le bon a inversé, mais l'essentiel est que je puisse avancer ou reculer en même temps que tourner.
je regarderai ce "problème" à l'occasion, je vous tiendrai au courant.

encore merci pour la patience et le temps passé à résoudre mon problème.

cordialement
legrosminet


actually the neutral turn has a slight problem, which for me is anecdotal.

I already reversed the polarity of an engine this morning, the left as easier to access in the tank, it was not the good has reversed, but the bottom line is that I can move forward or back at the same time than turn.
I will look at this "problem" occasionally, I will keep you informed.

thanks again for the patience and the time spent solving my problem.

cordially
legrosminet
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on June 01, 2019, 03:27:33 PM
actually the neutral turn has a slight problem, which for me is anecdotal.

I already reversed the polarity of an engine this morning, the left as easier to access in the tank, it was not the good has reversed, but the bottom line is that I can move forward or back at the same time than turn.
I will look at this "problem" occasionally, I will keep you informed.
Yes, there is only one way to connect everything that will give correct function in all directions. Most likely you just need to reverse the other motor instead, or reverse one of the radio channels. I am confident you can experiment until it works perfectly, but if you are happy already then just enjoy it!

Most importantly we have confirmed there is nothing wrong with your TCB. Good luck and if you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask!
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: juanillor on June 18, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
good night lukez and everyone, after a long time without being able to enjoy the hobby for work I return to continue with the problem, and it is probably a problem with the configuration of the station as you said my station is a radiolink at9 what I do not understand is to deactivate neutral turns and accelerator and mixed channels.
I do not know what to do
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on June 18, 2019, 05:13:54 PM
Juan maybe you can explain your problem in detail once more, in Spanish if you prefer, and Rad Schuhart can help us with the translation.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: juanillor on June 19, 2019, 07:32:08 AM
ok creo que tengo el mismo problema que legrosminet y tiene que ser configuracion de la emisora todo funciona correctamente hacia delante hacia atras  derecha e izquierda,el problema es que si quiero ir hacia delante y girar tambien  no puedo, tengo que parar dejar el stick centrado y girar,no puedo girar sobre la marcha mi radio es una radiolink at9  pero no se si esta mezclada los canales o no la e echo un reset de modelo pero ya no se que hacer .lo que dijo Lukez de   Tienes la dirección y los canales del acelerador mezclados puede que me ocurra a mi pero como lo desago?
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on June 19, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Try to switch the throttle and steering channel order numbers.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: juanillor on June 19, 2019, 02:24:56 PM
sigue igual no gira en recto o hacia atras
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on June 19, 2019, 02:36:07 PM
sigue igual no gira en recto o hacia atras
But surely it must have made some change?! The controls should not be the same on  your transmitter, or else you did not swap anything.

You can verify that every channel is assigned correctly when you perform Radio Setup. However maybe because of English this video does not make sense. I am confident the problem is very simple but I don't think we are communicating adequately. I will message Rad so that he can see this thread. 

Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on June 19, 2019, 03:03:22 PM
Hola Juanillor, puedes hacer un video donde veamos lo que manda tu radio y lo que recibe la TCB cuando está conectada al PC? Tendrías que grabar la pantalla de la radio moviendo el stick de control, y también enfocando a la pantalla del ordenador. Es importante ver qué estás emitiendo y qué está recibiendo la placa.

Puedes subirlo a youtube, o mandarmelo por Whatsapp o Telegram, lo que prefieras.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on June 19, 2019, 03:11:22 PM
Leyendo con detenimiento, pienso que debes de estar usando los canales de la emisora equivocados, o los cables de los motores conectados a los ESCs en posición incorrecta.

Cuando le das hacia adelante, el tanque está girando, y cuando le das a girar, el tanque acelera. Echale un vistazo a los canales. Para invertir el orden tienes que hacer lo que te ha puesto Luke ahí arriba. En cuanto a los cables de los motores es tan sencillo como desconectarlos y probar conectarlos de otro modo hasta que des con el funcionamiento correcto.

Al principio creo que tuve un problema parecido usando la placa con motores Tamiya.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: juanillor on June 19, 2019, 03:32:24 PM
intentare hacerlo mañana pero creo Rad que tienes razon porque cuando doy a derecha o izquierda el carro va mas rapido que cuando acelero para adelante o hacia atras los esc son los que estan en la wiki HobbyKing X-Car 45A Brushed Car.ademas la emisora la saque de la caja y no se hacer mezclas ni nada parecido en ese sentido soy muy torpe
throttle es acelerador
steering giro
mañana te digo como lo llevo tenemos el sabado evento en el cuartel militar de El Goloso  y me gustaria arreglarlo  muchas gracias de antemano a todos
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on June 19, 2019, 03:46:13 PM
Entonces va a ser lo que te hemos dicho. Intenta configurarlo como te ha indicado Luke  cuando puedas y nos cuentas.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: juanillor on June 20, 2019, 02:10:13 PM
Rad como te puedo mandar los videos?
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on June 21, 2019, 10:17:40 PM
Puedes subirlo a youtube, o mandarmelo por Whatsapp o Telegram, lo que prefieras.
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on June 24, 2019, 07:14:46 AM
Puedes subirlo a youtube, o mandarmelo por Whatsapp o Telegram, lo que prefieras.

Lol, yes, those are the options.

Juanillor, también me lo puedes mandar por email a Rad_Draven@hotmail.com
Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: Rad_Schuhart on June 24, 2019, 03:51:04 PM
Hi Luke, I just got some videos from Juanillor. It is quite late here so I dont have time to investigate, I will take a look at it tomorrow, but meanwhile there you go, I uploaded them here:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ag10Kxs8SgAKlWD7PHzTpYtDtpaT?e=lNTebH


Juanillor, he recibido los videos, le echo un ojo mañana, que hoy es muy tarde aquí. Futuros videos grábalos en horizontal, porfa. Y ah! Si puedes enfocar la pantalla de la radio, también vendría bien.

En un vistazo rápido me ha llamado la atención que has tenido que invertir el canal del gas. Me hace pensar que tengas los cables de los motores conectados de alguna manera extraña. Puedes tomar una foto de cómo están los motores conectados a los ESCs?

Title: Re: turn and forward problem
Post by: LukeZ on June 24, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
Thank you Juanillor for the videos. They are informative but unfortunately not consistent, so I think we will still need more information.

In the first video (#8717) we can see that you have the throttle and steering channels defined correctly. This is very good. It's true as Rad says the throttle channel is reversed (invertir el canal del gas). But this is not necessarily a problem. The main thing is that when you move the stick forward OP Config says "Forward," which it does.

In the second video (#8718) we can see that the TCB thinks it is permitting you to move forward, reverse, and in neutral turn. Of course I don't know if that is actually what is happening on your model, maybe your narrative will say and if so Rad can understand that.

Now in the third video (#8719) we have the inconsistency. You are able to move forward and backwards, but you are unable to initiate a neutral turn. This is inconsistent with the second video (#8718) where we do see neutral turns, although we don't see what stick movements cause them. Either you disabled neutral turns or made a configuration change we don't know about between video 8718 and 8719, or else you were using a different stick combination that I also don't know about.

Also without being able to see the model I can't tell where actually the problem occurs. 

However I am certain we will fix this eventually with Rad's help.

Another question, can you confirm you have put your XCar 45 ESCs into Crawler Mode? The Wiki describes how (http://openpanzer.org/wiki/doku.php?id=wiki:tcb:tcbinstall:motors:rcesc#hobbyking_xcar_45a). If correct the LED on the ESC will be solid (not blinking).